The side grip in the wet (on my car at least), is dangerously bad. The rear starts to loose its grip at approxomatly 30% of the g-force load of my summer tires when cornering. And once they start to loose it, it all happens very fast. Not good! They actually perform better on snow. They also tend to let go quite sudden in a straight line (still in the wet) if I accellarate hard in 90-110 Kilometers per hour (55-65 MPH). Theese characteristics are prominent on dry asfalt too. I mostly drive on wet, snowy or icy conditions during winter, as I live in Norway, and this car is my daily driver. I will never buy theese again (bought them last winter, and will be changing them soon). Thank god for the Continantals I have up front, saved my but with their grip and predictability compared to the widow makers at the rear!!! Stay away if You have a high performance car and drive it on wet/ icy/ snow covered roads during the winter.

Used these as my winter rubber for past 4 winters.

They still have lots of tread left but they are not that great in the ice,which is what they are supposedly designed for, a bit better in fresh snow, aquaplane quite badly, handle ok in the dry for what they are and are quiet. Lethal on greasy roads, no feedback before they let go resulting in lack of confidence in them. Now superceded by Pilot Alpin PA3 and 4, if you see the Alpin PA2 on ebay or at part worn tyre shop avoid, buy something else.

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